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Posted by Giga2 on April 14, 2011, 8:42 am

But then you listen to people who say government=force which is clearly

Posted by Bill Ward on April 14, 2011, 2:31 pm
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:42:39 +0100, Giga2" <"Giga2 wrote:

I not only listen to them, I'm one of them, along with George Washington:


"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it
is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

We kinda like him, but I understand if your opinion might differ.

Most of the those I've met at "tea party" functions are calm, rational
people, who are simply fed up with having their wealth redistributed.  
We're not dangerous, just determined, quite numerous, and no longer

Posted by Bill Ward on April 14, 2011, 5:27 pm
 On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:39:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:

Immediate? Almost none. I think most realize the current system is
unsustainable, and see the exit strategy as meeting all obligations to
those who are currently enrolled or within 10 years or so of retirement,
but allowing restructured plans for others.

I've not seen that sign.  You might want to bring it to the next tea
party function and see what people think.  You'd most likely be surprised.

Posted by Bill Ward on April 14, 2011, 11:46 pm
 On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:43:56 -0700, Bob F wrote:

You need to actually go to a tea party event and talk to people.  I hate
to be the one to break it to you, but TV coverage is not always unbiased.

From my experience, it's easy to identify a genuine tea party event, as
there'll be self-enforced civility and decorum, no bull horns telling
people what to do, and no trash on the ground. You should be able to
tolerate that for a little while, at least.

Posted by Giga2 on April 15, 2011, 4:17 pm

I'm a bit of a fan of the teaparty movement to the extent it is a grassroots
movement. You and Washington can carry on beleiving whatever you like, and
even declaring it, even if it is silly.

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